I know that I'm not very good at keeping up with the blog, but now, I'm going to try and update stuff weekly. Such as, have a weekly poll picture, and any new proverbs I come up with during the week. This is also to have a place to comment on the weekly stuff.
So, this week, I have a poll that steers towards the serious. I want to know your opinion on abortion. This is also to laugh at the people who aren't pro choice like me. Look, were overpopulated already, and they are technically not yet humans, so I don't see a problem there. Plus, if it's not my kid, I don't have the right to decide for them. If they don't want the kid, and if it was like the result of a rape or something, then it's not my choice.
As for the picture, well, it's a dragon, roasting another dragon. I find it cool.
Proverb! Hold on, I need to go get my math exercise book. I wrote a good one in there! (Your call is important to us, please, hold. *Elevator music*.) Okay! I'm back! I have some time, so I picked the longest one.
An idea is like a forest. It takes time to grow, and make itself reality, but once it has, it is left for all to see in their own way. But as time goes on, the wood will dry, and get old, and die, and finally, it will all go in flames. But soon enough, a new forest comes to take it's place, and the cycle begins again.
So there is your update! Enjoy!
Are you there, God? It's me, Dibsy.
8 years ago
91 comments:
Nice pic. I'm glad you're starting to update more.
So, Anti abortion. That's cool. What are your views on the matter? Oh, also, thank you. If you look closely you can see dragon bones!
Your profile pic makes me nervous, Natty.
I'm glad you're updating too. :) Nice pic. 8)
Well...
I am pro-life. I believe that a fetus is a human life, one that deserves to have at least a chance at living. Now, I understand that it would be extremely difficult to go through with a pregnancy that is due to a rape, and that there are also various reasons people would get an abortion, but, if it was the woman and the man's decision to have sex in the first place, the woman should go through with the pregnancy. It doesn't mean that she has to raise the child, because the child can be given to a loving family that would truly love and care for the child. And, the rapist should be punished in rape, not the child. Everyone deserves a chance at life.
(And, if you want us to go into detail... http://forums.avatarspirit.net/index.php?topic=963.msg1163203#msg1163203
Our involvement in the chaos of that thread started there. *headdesk*)
I understand I can't make anyone change their choices. And I won't force anyone not to get an abortion. I know what's true and what's not. My friend got an abortion last year. She is younger than me, and I'm 13 going on 14. If she would have told me then, I don't know how I would've reacted. But I know I wouldn't force her to go through with that. I still think that it's wrong. I still think that the baby was a human life, as well as all the other children who got their lives ended by their mothers before they were born. But, I can't force anyone to change what they've done, want to do, or are considering. There is such a thing as successful adoption, loving families. But I realize that things don't always work out sometimes.
You started what got ZCF banned from debate and discussion!?
Anyways, you are, in reality, pro choice. If you respect that it isn't your choice, your pro choice. You don't need to be okay with their choice, you just need to know that it isn't your choice to make. Also, it isn't human life yet, and can't feel, or know what life is. Plus, were already over populated, enough as is. I mean, people who get sick are supposed to die, but we cure their illness.
I, for one, am pro-choice. It disgusts me to see elderly men telling women what to do, holding posters like "You're going to hell!" up, and all-around protesting out side of abortion clinics. It's as this poster I read says. "77% of anti-abortion activists are men. 100% of them never will have children."
The whole basis of abortion is not that it's a way to prevent having children if you didn't take your pill. It's mainly used if a woman has been raped, or if the baby could present a health problem during delivery.
Well, I certainly have no opinion in this. I mean, what about the situation when you've been raped? Especially if you're young, and maybe it is a bit selfish, but many raped girls who get pregnant DO NOT WANT A CHILD IN THE FIRST PLACE, and in a worse case scenario when it is done repeatedly disgusts me. However, a women who is clearly not drunk or being raped has to take full responsibility for the child.
If the women drinks a lot several times, and gets pregnant, then she has to suck it up and keep it. If maybe it's her first time, and it's probably by accident, then that is neutral.
Natty, if you are a boy, then tell me, why are some boys so f-ing messed up to rape a chick?
See, here we have a very good example of the little proverb you wrote Natty. Abortion at this point is a small cluster of trees that people aren't sure what to think of yet. The forest will eventualy burn down however if this means that abortion is publicly accepted or shunned has yet to be decided.
I'm not a rapist, so I wouldn't know. Although I wouldn't reserve rape to men. I'm sure that there are female rapists to dibs. But I would like to disagree with your 'you got drunk, suck it up' thing. If you drink, you aren't a bad person. If you get pregnant because of it, then you don't really have an obligation to keep the child. the father probably won't stay, and there you have a single, possibly young, and unprepared mother, that will probably screw the child's life up. It's your choice, and if they feel guilty about it, then it's their problem, but if they live to lead a happy life, because a kid didn't keep them from going to college, and they feel that it was better to sacrafice two lives that most likely would have been a very sad ones, because they would probably end up in poverty, for a happy full life, that could possibly have many more happy children, then that's fine by me.
Here is a (very crappy) solution. Don't have sex. And if you do, use a condom. It isn't that hard to be abstinent, or to at least use protection.
People are too overcome with sometimes that's why. I can't believe some unprepared mothers decide to just abandon a baby in some remote place and then leave and pretend it never happened. I mean, there's always orphanages. I mean seriously.
Oh yeah, and Natty, how do girls rape men? (how do females become rapists?) I mean, sex is like, a key and a hole. A key can force itself inside the hole, but a keyhole can force itself inside a key. How does that work?
(I wrote this like, two days ago, and my computer screwed up on the internet, so I couldn't post... so... yeah.)
I think the only way a life can be taken before its time, is murder. You see, I don't agree with them, but, if I honestly could, I would try to talk someone out. I don't think abortion for convenience is right at all. It's just entirely wrong.
And, ZCF got banned from some other thread on D&D...
The Bible says that we were made in the mothers' womb, known before we were born. They are human lives.
I explain this WAAAY better on the thread back on ASN, just saying.
Anyway, I really *headdesk* right now.
I don't support abortion really in any case, I just try to understand why. The rape case is a very difficult thing to think about for me, and a lot of people, and it makes them pretty conflicted. For me, I stand on delivering just punishment upon the rapist, and not on the child that was conceived from the rape. But, I understand that it would make a lot of women remember the pain of something they'd rather forget. They're already going through so much. So, though I still believe that a fetus is a human life, the woman might decide to have an abortion, because it is painful to keep on thinking of the rape, throughout the pregnancy. However, I think it's better to let the child find a new life after being born, as well as the woman. I understand why, but I don't condone it. I don't want to sound cruel. If I ever had to go through something like that, I don't know what I'd do. It's not something I'm facing right now. But I won't FORCE a victimized woman to have a child conceived in this way. I still think that the unborn are human lives not yet lived, and seperate entities from their biological mother. I would try to talk to anyone about their decisions. It wouldn't be my choice, if I were the one who had chosen to partake in sexual activity. Once again, I don't know, because I'm not in those shoes right now. I pray that I will never make a decision in that way before marriage.
High-risk pregnancy abortion, I suppose, I'm not sure about... If it's one life or the other, definitely, I think that... I don't know. Even in the littlest of things, I'm not very good at decisions that have to go one way or the other. I know one definite decision in my life, to live for Christ. The other things I hope I don't do is to do drugs/smoke/drink/etc., cut, develop an eating disorder, murder, have pre-marital sex, etc.
I think the high-risk pregnancy abortion, only if there is absolutely no way to have both lives go on simeoultaneously. I guess I have to sa I found a quotation from someone else's blog I randomly found a while back "In a choice between life or death, choose life," and I'd like to live by that too... but, the baby is a life, and the woman is a life. It's hard for me to decide. If there was a possible way to let them both live, then I would wholeheartedly do so...
Wow. I'm going to keep this short. You are not anti abortion. As long as you know that there is a possible reason for the abortion, and can accept it, then your on the pro choice wagon. And please, leave religion at the door to the blog. I know that we don't (To my knowledge.) have any readers of a different faith here, but I like to leave that behind, to prevent possible fights on the comments page. I know that I'm I don't have high belief in god, or any other religious figure, but I know that they wouldn't want you to fight.
I agree with Aly 100%. I think she expressed it efficiently and eloquently. It saved me typing time. :P Thanks, Aly!
I'd also like to point out that the rates of suicide and depression are highest among women who have had abortions. Child-bearing is a female instinct and getting rid of that little life inside of you is definitely going to have a negative emotional impact on you.
p.s. A child younger than 13 having to get an abortion???? That's freaky. I really feel sorry for her.
Oh, I have something to add:
I've often heard that christians are better known for the things they are against than for the things they are for.
Don't get us wrong, we don't like, hate people who get abortions or something, but faced with the decision, we'd chose life. It's just that we believe that life is sacred right from the time of conception. It's a personal thing. We don't want to force our opinions on other people.
So, Katherine. We meet again on this field of battle. (It's common debate with us.) OK then, tell me, and I've avoided using this trump card of sorts. In the event that you were raped, and scarred by it for the rest of your life, but not only that, you become pregnant with the rapist's child, tell me... WHAT WOULD YOU CHOOSE!?
(Also, it's nice to hear, or, read from you again.)
Ummm...
KATHERINE REMEMBER THIS-the youngest parents EVER were only eight and nine years old. and i think they kept their baby.
You may not have used that "trump card", but others (like Ben) have. And the answer I give you is the same answer I gave them. I would not have an abortion. You seem to think that my opinion is subject to change. My mind is 100% made up. No matter how unhappy I felt about it, I would not compromise my beliefs and I would just trust that God would help me through the rough time.
Sorry, but it's impossible to leave my beliefs at the door when we're talking about abortion.
I've used it on you before Katherine, and the beauty of my trump card is that it's un answerable. You can't answer that question, because you have no idea what it would be like. I'll remind you once again in this comment that I've seen you been asked that question before. You don't see how red your face gets, or how you stammer "I don't know." One of the great things about writing, is that a lie can almost never be caught. It's straight up wording, and you take however long you want writing it. And that's why I can't accept your writen answer. Katherine, you don't know how you would act, or say that you were not raped, and that it was an accident, and you were a fool. How would your parents feel? You, as a child wouldn't get to choose. It would be your parents' decision. And in the end, nobody can be sure.
Okay, I'm pretty sure that was a subtle implication that I'm lying. Thanks a lot. I really feel trusted here.
And maybe I did blush but I'm certain that I never said "I don't know". It's just that neither you nor anyone else who was listening believed me. Unfortunately, this is the type of thing that can never be proven.
Thank you trump card! Even if it doesn't work, then I can still not get in trouble! Yay for me!
But yes, you did say that you didn't know, and dismissed it, saying that it wasn't a question that should be asked, or something of the sort. Oh, and Katherine, your a bad liar.
You're horrible. You're as bad as John.
And why do you say that?
And two more things:
1-If I accept that I did say "I don't know" and that I just have a bad memory, then now I'm wiser and more strong-willed, and my desicion is irrevocable.
2-Why are you picking on me? I don't see you asking Aly what she would do if she were raped.
And I say that because I can never win an argument with John.
Okay, I'm sorry about that, but Aly is less sure on her stance, so it seems only right to be less harsh on her. And you have yet to win an argument with me too. Though I have yet to win one with you.
That was my point. You're as bad as John because I can never win an argument with either of you.
Although it's comforting to know that you can't win an argument with me either.
I'm going to Youth now. I won't be able to reply for a while.
OK, bye.
(darn i missed it)
I seriously dunno what I'd actually do if I got pregnant. I know of people who got pregnant and their parents kicked them out for it. (unless they got an abortion) I can't really be sure to believe you, Kitkat. :S You're not pregant, as far as I know.
Hi everybody, I'm back.
Yeah well, you never know Dibsy...
:P
My friend has this girl at her school in grade nine who "used to be pregnant". When she told me, I was like "oh my goodness, that's so sad!" She told me tonight at youth. Kind of a weird coincidence.
Well, that's IS a coincidence...
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Hum. Where's Lea?
Okay, Katherine is not my sister Dibs. I know that you mentioned this somewhere else. Though she would probably make a better sister then my current one. Anyways, yeah. Kitkat=Not sister of the vounderbar, Natty.
Ok... (sheesh. i am so boring without lea)
LEEEEAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
FINE! I'm back!
I agree with Kathrine and Aly. I am a pro-lifer, and I'm not afraid to say it. Like Aly said, that fetus growing inside of women is a life form.
And Nathaniel, you will never know the pain of bearing a child, so you really can't say anything about this.
And, if you're raped, you're going to be scarred, pregnant or not. The memory is always going to be with you, so killing that child would just be killing someone who had no chance at life; it wouldn't be erasing the memory of rape.
I agree with Katherine on-
"Don't get us wrong, we don't like, hate people who get abortions or something, but faced with the decision, we'd chose life. It's just that we believe that life is sacred right from the time of conception. It's a personal thing. We don't want to force our opinions on other people."
And pretty much everything else she said. Those words are exactly how I feel about this.
Either way, I don't know what it would be like to be raped, but I pray if I am ever in that situation, that I will have the courage to go through with the pregnancy, despite the circumstances.
If my parents told me to have an abortion, if I ever got pregnant, AND I HIGHLY DOUBT THEY WOULD, I would have the child against their will, because I wouldn't want to kill them. Most likely, they would probably support adoption. Or anything else. They'd leave it up to me, I'm sure. I know they wouldn't be happy with my decision to have sex in the first place, but they would NEVER force me to do anything like that to a child.
I'm so sorry for your friend, Katherine. My friend was like that too... she just told me directly.
Thanks dibs, also, for your contributions to the discussion.
And everyone else, for that matter. It's really interesting to find these opinions out from people.
Hey, Lea, don't get self ritchiouse and call anti abortion pro life. If you do, then I might as well call pro choice, pro freedom. Also, in the impossible scenario that I got pregnant (As in if I was a girl and such, and I hate saying this as much as you hate reading it.) Then I would hope to go through with the pregnancy as well. I feel it unfair that your treating me like I'm killing babies, when my point is that abortion is justified, not that I support everybody that gets one. My point is that I can accept that somebody got an abortion, especially for the right reason. Also, the scenarion that I brought up earlier with somebody who had their life destroyed because of keeping the baby, think of it like this. That kid would have given up their life if it would help their parent, and not have lived a depressing heap of dung. Fetus is incapable of thought, or emotion, all that there would have been to live for isn't there. A fetus is not a life.
How about the circumstance when you get pregnant a virgin?
Also, Aly's post made me think. It's kind of the predicament that I always hate. Whichver you do, you do wrong. God says honour your mother and father, but he also says do not murder.
If your mom or dad wants you get an abortion and you refuse, you're not really honouring them, and if you get the abortion, you are practically murdering someone.
Uh, no, your taking out a fetus. Not killing somebody.
You are killing somebody. The bible says that God knew us before we were formed in the mother's womb. A fetus is not a potential life, it's a life with potential. Just because a person is young and inside another person does not make them any less of a person.
Could you come up with a better base then god wants. Look, it's your own belief that god gave humans free will. That free will allows us decisions. With that, women are free to make the choice to have an abortion. With me so far? Because this may get a little complecated. Now we all know that god may, or may not work in mysterious ways, thus to be raped, or accidentally become pregnant can be seen as a test in which he wants you to see if you can make the better choice in the long run. Be that choice either abortion or not. Look at your current situation, and see if you are fit to carry the child, or if it would be better sent to heaven before a miserable life.
Now this seems a really shaky argument, but then, so is relying on a man made book.
>:<
You have a point. (i mean the "Now we all know that god may, or may not work in mysterious ways, thus to be raped, or accidentally become pregnant can be seen as a test in which he wants you to see if you can make the better choice in the long run. Be that choice either abortion or not. Look at your current situation, and see if you are fit to carry the child, or if it would be better sent to heaven before a miserable life." part)
God did give us a choice. That choice is to follow him or not. If we choose to follow him, we must obey his commands. Therefore, we must not have abortion, because God doesn't want us to. It's not rocket science...
My situation is a really bad example for your cause because if I were raped, I would just have the baby and then get my parents to help me take care of him/her. I'm going to be living at home for a few mroe years yet, so I would realy have nothing to worry about.
Further more, said book is 2000 years old, when man would explain things in crazy ways. Not saying that this book is a bad thing, but it is not perfectly correct. As you all seem to belive there is only one thing that is perfect.
Now, getting away from that point. If your going to say that an abortion is killing a human life, then so is wearing a condom, or any other form of birth control. Because god wanted those possible babies born, right? If a fetus is a human, then a spurm is too.
So why are people babies humans by wearing condoms? Or taking birth control pills? It's just plain murder!
Oh, sorry, you commented first. Now we get this little gem. If a higher being gave us free will, then how come he wants us to follow his command. Is that really free will? And your suggesting that my free will is good for one purpose?
(PS: God, or any other religious figure's name is a bad word here. You can refer to them, but not by name. Try, my beliefs show, or my belief's figure head, or something like that.)
Ugh...what an icky rule. Anyway...to reply to your comments...
First of all, condoms and birth control pills are not in the same category as abortion because they prevent conception instead of killing the fetus that has already been created.
Second of all, I'm saying that our creator wants us to follow Him because it's our choice, not because we have been forced to.
You keep twisting everything I say! It's a full time job making sure that I'm not misunderstood.
I agree wholly with everything that Katherine says. Ahem. And, Dibs, I think in the end, your parents have no right to force you to kill your own child, even in the Bible. The Bible says that the son will do as the father does (or daughter/mother,etc.) Basically saying, be a good role model for your kids. I don't think God wants us to force that onto anyone...
Also, the Bible is NOT obsolete. And the ones who wrote it were prophets or disciples that God Himself chose to write out His Word, which is always true.
God wants us to value our lives and the lives of others at all costs; You never know what someone's life will be in the future unless you give them a chance.
Whatever somebody's said, is what they mean. Don't infer/change anything, unless they say themselves that they were misunderstood.
It's a trick. But I belive that your reasoning for your abortion is bad point is not giving the fetus a chance. So what about the spurm? The spurm doesn't matter. the reason the fetus exhists. It doesn't matter? So basically your getting pretty hypocritical. That wasn't a spin, that is the facts, and in the end, that's all I want, the cold hard facts.
Oh, and Aly, if you would recall your statement. "The ones that wrote it were the deciples that God chose himself." Now I'm pretty sure that Katherine knows where I'm going with this. The deciples were not god, the deciples were imperfect men. So, they could and did make mistakes. Several of whitch are undoubtably found in the Bible. Thus the Bible is imperfect, thus parts of the Bible must also be wrong. Perhaps a certain first chapter was something a weak minded deciple couldn't understand.
*rolls eyes*
First of all, of course the sperm is important. I never said it wasn't. Contraceptive methods are not contrary to Yahweh's will because, well, I don't think sex is that important to Yahweh's divine plan. However, after the child has been conceived and Yahweh has given that little life a spirit, then we really shouldn't mess with it.
Second of all, the bible was WRITTEN by Yahweh. It was just RECORDED by humans. Just look at 2nd Timothy 3:16..."All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."
If sex isn't important then why isn't it OK to have pre marital sex. Oh, and also, your reason is now helping mine. Why would pre marital sex be bad in your holy one's eyes. I wonder? Could it be because he wishes for all children to be born into nice whole families. Now I'm not saying anything bad about single parents, but your religious figure is wishing life to be as simple as possible. I don't think that he would consider it murder. If your religious can leave it in his heart to forgive sins, and be completely open minded, then I think he would completely understand. See your only coloring within the lines, But to be expressive, you must colour all over the page. Expand what you have been givin. You don't leave a balloon without air, you blow it up, and expand boundaries. Your following his preachings from two thousand years ago, not what he may say about problems today. If he is truely a just being, then he would understand if there was a good reason for an abortion.
Oh, and using parts of the bible to try and prove the bible doesn't help your cose.
OK. (I'm getting a little of of the religion based stuff here, but...) in world geography, we were looking at the amendments, and one of them was the Right to Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness, and LIFE. That should count for the unborn in my opinion.
An UNBORN! Unborn meaning not a legal citizen. Without a birth certificate the fetus is not even considered a person to the world. Everything has a precise line where it stops or starts completely. And the line between murder and not is birth. Legally, and I like legal, we are not aloud to talk of a fetus as we would a person.
Okay, one thing here.
If the Bible was written by imperfect men, and the Bible already states that we are sinful, therefore saying that we are imperfect, does that make it wrong? Because, they were so weak minded, it just couldn't have been truuuee?
No.
All scripture is God-breathed, as Katherine stated.
Kat, God allows sex within marriage. .-. He tells us to "fill the Earth" in the Bible. His IDEAL for family, is to have two, loving, caring parents, a female mother and male father, with loving and respectful children, as well as have parents who set an example for the children to follow the Lord's way.
Unborn children= potential lives, whether or not your 'legal' terms state it so.
Dear Katherine,
"It is easier said than done."
-Dibsy
Hey, I wasn't using that one on you. That was to blow a different boat out of the water, or a different fish in a barrel.
You still have yet to disprove my theory on a gurrent god. The bible was god breathed eh? Perhaps your stuck with a tricky god, or a stupid prophet. Either way, not all of the bible is completely correct, as that is impossible. Besides, what knowledge could have been lost in the bibles various translations before finally coming to today's english.
And also, for the record. Sperm=Potential life too.
Oh, and if you could point out a part of the bible that says, 'You shall not have an abortion' please, do show.
Oh boy...
Yahweh doesn't like premarital sex because sex is the highest level of intimacy and is to be saved for the one to whom you've devoted your life. Pre marital sex is a purity thing, not a baby thing.
And although your arguments might be based on what's legal, mine are based on what's RIGHT.
It just keeps going and going...
Actually, all of the bible is correct because it was written by a divine and therefore PEREFCT author.
And for the record, sperm DOES NOT = potential life! We're just going in circles here because you refuse to listen to my perfectly logical replies to your constant attacks on my faith.
Let me work on the abortion part of the bible. I bet I can find it.
What's right? Yes, part of the people that keep children turn out alright, but then there is a large amount where it doesn't work out. Do we dismiss those? Look, I'm not saying that abortion is always right, but I'm saying it's justified from time to time. And as for your statement that is that you based it on what's right. You did not. You based it on a book that is over two thousand years old.
Once again, god is forgiving, sees justice where it is, and if there is justice in an abortion, then it is should be fine with him. And once again, where in the bible does it say 'you will not have an aborton.'
THREE STAGES KATHERINE!
SPERM, FETUS, HUMAN! If you say that the fetus equals potential life, then so does sperm. But the cut off point is human. Fetus has no rights. It lacks the right of life.
You refuse to listen to my perfectly good logic. Your logic is based on a gaping nothing. And I believe that your keeping us in circles with baseless knowledge. Katherine, don't take this the wrong way, but get a life. God wouldn't want you to waste your life memorizing his book.
God wants us to value life. And He knew us in the womb; we are a human being at conception. Our lives are known, at conception. Sperm is NOT a potential life.
A man and a woman who have produced a fetus, with both sperm and egg, when the child is conceived, have created a human life.
God is forgiving; if you sin, He is righteous and just to forgive you.
I'm thinking the only time that abortion is truly justified is when there is no possible way to have both the mother and the child live. I once read this on another person's blog, a woman who had gotten into a car accident, and lost her husband, but not her infant son. There were slim chances he would live. So, the doctors asked her if she would cut the cord on him. She had been at a sermon previously,
"In a choice between life and death, choose life."
So that's what she did. Her son recovered, and though he probably will never be the same as other children mentally, he is still capable of loving and smiling and he is loved.
If it is at all possible, choose life.
In the case of no possible way to let the mother and child live, one may not make it. What I'm saying here, is that, if at all possible, she can go through the pregnancy, even with the risks, and make it out, that's what I'd choose. If it was guarenteed, that only one of them would be able to make it, and I mean GUARENTEED, 100%, no way at all that both of them could live, it would come down to the mother's decision now.
Ta-daaaaa! Abortion in the bible:
-Yahweh cares for the unborn. Exodus 22:21-25... "If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman's husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. NUt if any harm folllows, then you shall giv elife for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe." Basically, if you cause a baby to be born prematurely, men will discipline you. If you cause abortion, you're in trouble with the supreme ruler of the universe.
-Yahweh is the one who blesses us with children. Psalm 127:3..."Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord. The fruit of the womb is a reward."
-Unborn children are very important to Yahweh. Psalm 139:13-16..."For you formed my inward parts' you covered me in my mother's womb...Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in your book they were all written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them."
-Yahweh knows the unborn by name. They ARE people. Isaiah 49:1..."The Lord has called me from the womb; from the matrix of my mother He has made mention of my name."
-Yahweh knows us BEFORE WE ARE BORN. Jeremiah 1:5..."Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I santioned you."
As you can see, all these scripture references provide ample evidence that unborn lives are as sacred to the Lord as your life or mine.
THANK YOU, KATHERINE. So very true.
You know what, Nathaniel?
I always thought you respected me even though we never agreed when it came to my faith. But now it's perfectly evident that you have nothing but disdain and contempt for my beliefs. That being said, my respect for you has been greatly diminished.
No problem, Aly. Glad to help.
Not at all, I'm sticking to my beliefs as you stick to yours. I am of the united church. A church in which physical knowledge is applied to the bible. I respect you highly Katherine, and nothing changes that, be it beliefs or not. I'm sticking to what I have been taught as true, and you can't say that I mean anything more. I like to belive in a higher being, but I believe that the way he works is through knowledge that is truely proven. I can trust him, but that doesn't mean I need to trust who he choses. That is part of the free will that I was gifted with. I can belive that god works in whatever way that I want.
So in the end this is turning into a fight that is faith versus faith. Yours is to read the words, mine is to read what hides behind them, a truer meaning.
Also, did I say that I didn't belive unborn life was unimportant. In fact, I went further than you did into this matter, down to the source, the very core. But that isn't what this is about. What this is about is that as Aly has proven my point. I can accept abortion when it is needed, but not when it is through selfishness. Your moving away from what your fighting. I'm not really too much of an enemy here. All I'm trying to say is that abortion is a decison that cannot be forced by another, and it's harder when your looking at somebody you know, rather than a statistic.
You Katherine Ann (Insert name here.) would not have the heart to force the decision upon a person you know, and is a dear friend. If it isn't a problem that concerns you don't make it one. I'm against people who protest outside of abortion clinics, not you. You are not an extremist to such an extent. And that is why I'm not truely fighting against you.
I respect your beliefs, but you need to respect mine too. I belive in what god would want me t do today, and how my actions should be justified. And I slip, more than most, but the more a slip, the more I learn not to. I aspire to be as much like god as possible, but I find it harder than you, when I'm just naturally like this. I was raised like this, and I like who I am like this. But I also need to try harder.
Anyways, I think I'm done with that, all I want to say is that even if at times I don't seem like it, I'm your friend. And you can't stop that, not with god himself at your side. I will always be your friend.
I'm sorry. I'm a wreck lately. Please just tell me to shut up and forgive me.
No, I was harsh on your beliefs, I should be asking for your forgivness. But It would be rude not to, so I forgive you. But I will not tell you to shut up, because that would both be disrespectful, and mean.
Oh, but please forgive me too. I forgot to add that. Otherwise I'll feel crummy for a long time. And I also think it's only fair.
:P
The e-mail was the best ever. It's all good, now. You forgave me and I forgive you, inc ase I forgot to mention that.
Thanks. *Hugs Katherine.*
*hugs all of you* Thanks for making up. :)
Out of pure selfishness, abortion is totally 100% wrong. If there is a 100% chance of mother OR child dying, you know what I've said.
What's weird, is today, I found the most amazing site...
http://www.dianedew.com/aborindx.htm
Read the front page...
And...
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
I don't know. To be honest, my opinions are just beginning to change, leaning more towards 100% pro-life. I was going to add this in the other day, but you can't be sure if one or the other will make it in the end. Miscarriage is a tragedy. But a mother dying in childbirth... also a tragedy. Both are extremely horrible situations, and I'm not sure what I would do if I was in them...
The woman's biography on the front page is pretty incredible to me, though. She is so strong. So amazing. Some of the information she provides is quite shocking.
Her statistics stated on the page, that abortion for rape/incest, was 2%, while the rest was just for some form of convenience.
I googled the statistics for backup, and found extremely shocking statistics that were highly similar to what she wrote.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/abreasons.html
In statistics measured from 1999-2005 in South Dakota (still scrolling down the page here...), 67.37% of women got abortions SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT THE CHILD. I can't believe this... just reading it...
I can't even say anything. I am speechless. Truly speechless, at all of these statistics...
I can't belive that your speechless. There are bad people out there. Probably far more then there are good. And there are probably reasons there too. Some people just can't have children. It's just too hard. One factor you seem to be ignoring is the pregnancy itself. Say that your sixteen, and completely on your own. You get pregnant. Nobody will help you. You can't go through the necissary pregnancy itself in this state. Sometimes it's a matter of your life isn't easy, in the least, and now it just got way harder, unbearably hard. It's not a feeling that I hope any of you ever have to go through, but it is a feeling, and under enourmous pressure like this, you just can't do it. It's not always that simple, grey areas make up a large part of everything. It's nothing we can control. I belive you've heard of the population explosion. Be lucky you were born on the up side and not have to be the majority that lives without your luxguries. Aly, were on the same page here. I'm just more leniant. Life will suck, and it will suck more for some then others. Some times abortion is the only exit to a clearing in the dark cave.
It can get pretty hard, for anyone, in that situation... I realize life can suck. My dad had a hard, hard life, but he's making it through, he has hope, and joy, and love and light. All from the Lord. And he's very thankful for every blessing in his life. And I'm thankful for this family.
He is too. People can rise above difficult things in their lives. It is possible for everyone to develop the courage, to find that light, the guidance, to go through those difficult times, and come out on the other side.
I realize that there are bad people out there, too.
In the end, it all comes up to the choices before.
If it was possible, (not a rape) you shouldn't have had sex in the first place. It's hard. I now realize, I know people who don't have their virginity anymore. I know people who know people; my friend has a ton of teen friends who are like that. Teen mothers. Etc. It's hard to do even THAT in the society we live in nowadays.
What I don't support, 100%, that I do NOT support, is pre-marital sex. That is wrong.
Aly, one thing that you don't get is that your father made good choices in the sea of bad ones. He found all the right things, and made it to a normal life. I'm saying that you don't understand that, I'm saying that your dad is a rare case. Not extremely rare, but pretty rare. The majority of people that lived hard lives, don't grow to be lucky like your father. Your either born into good, or you work for it. And I respect that.
Alright, alright, I respect that too. But it's still not impossible. I think we agree on that.
So, guys, how was your week this week...? Any plans for the weekend?
Eat an A&W apple pie.
what does A&W stand for?
Ick... apple pie... xp
I dislike any baked fruits. xppppp
WAT DA HECK IS AN A&W?!
A&W is a chain resturant, Dibs... ^^'
Omigoshies youz a genius perzon.
USE YOUR PROPER GRAMMAR FOOL!
(runz away and cries) Mister Natty Isaac or whatever your last name is, *SMACK* I AM NO FOOL!
I ish are havsing a goods time.
Natty?
How...how come you...you call me...a fool...for...wrong...grammar...when...Lea...has done the same!? *SMACK!*
Natty ish a meanzie! I've purposely been using horrible grammar (not that I mind) just to see his reaction. xP
*SLAP* *SLAP* *SLAP*
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